tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-281415506871751523.post2751930547841366815..comments2023-10-28T01:37:40.656-07:00Comments on Ben Pobjie's Wonderful World Of Objects: FineBen Pobjiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07320337293942659210noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-281415506871751523.post-52426211410976263492012-03-15T02:28:41.890-07:002012-03-15T02:28:41.890-07:00Oh thank you skinnyjeans - perhaps you and my writ...Oh thank you skinnyjeans - perhaps you and my writing could have dinner, see where things lead.Ben Pobjiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07320337293942659210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-281415506871751523.post-25032584976351543802012-03-14T21:44:39.476-07:002012-03-14T21:44:39.476-07:00For a while I had one really nutso activist writin...For a while I had one really nutso activist writing to me about every column I published and ripping it apart. It was bloody horrible. So I applaud every writer who keeps going in the face of Joe-blow criticism - it is a lot more painful than people think.<br /><br />For the record, I'm in love with your columns. I would marry your words if it were possible.nickybrysonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17822283187888929752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-281415506871751523.post-44845529660952447892012-01-15T14:43:19.031-08:002012-01-15T14:43:19.031-08:00Good on you Ben for firing up some feminist debate...Good on you Ben for firing up some feminist debate! Despite all the aggro people are hurling at you. <br />I find your writing very witty. Keep fighting the good fight.Helenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02162442256339690838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-281415506871751523.post-27830917765496883012012-01-11T21:23:37.382-08:002012-01-11T21:23:37.382-08:00Dear Ben, Something for you to consider about the ...Dear Ben, Something for you to consider about the ethics of conversation and whether you should give up on twitter or twitter's beloved Feminists. Jen.<br /><br />‘Ethical singularity’ is neither ‘mass contact’ nor engagement with ‘the common sense of the people’. We all know that when we profoundly engage with one person, the responses come from both sides: this is responsibility and accountability. We also know that in such engagements we want to reveal and reveal, conceal nothing. Yet on both sides there is always a sense that something has not got across. This we call the ‘secret,’ not something that one wants to reveal. In this sense the effort of ‘ethical singularity’ can be called a ‘secret encounter’. Please note that I am not speaking of meeting in secret. In this secret singularity, the object of ethical action is not benevolence, for here responses flow from both sides. It is not identical with the full and frank exchange between radical and the oppressed in times of crisis, or the intimacy that anthropologists often claim with their informant groups, although the importance of at least the former should not be minimized. This encounter can only happen when the respondents inhabit something like normality. Most political movements fail in the long run because of the absence of this engagement. In fact, it is impossible for all leaders (subaltern or otherwise) to engage every subaltern in this way, especially across the gender divide. This is why ethics is the experience of the impossible. Please note that I am not saying ethics is impossible. This understanding only sharpens the sense of the crucial and continuing need for collective political struggle. <br /><br />From Gayatri Chakravorty Spivak, ‘Translator’s Preface and Afterword to Mahasweta Devi, Imaginary Maps’.Jen Tsen Kwokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14972185183603472274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-281415506871751523.post-101477638221767852012-01-10T00:45:46.902-08:002012-01-10T00:45:46.902-08:00@MSBracken
Thanks Ben. I'm really not a nutte...@MSBracken<br /><br />Thanks Ben. I'm really not a nutter. Promise.Michelle Brackennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-281415506871751523.post-43961223720943433212012-01-10T00:32:33.183-08:002012-01-10T00:32:33.183-08:00What's your twitter name Michelle? I don't...What's your twitter name Michelle? I don't remember blocking you: might have been a mistake.Ben Pobjiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07320337293942659210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-281415506871751523.post-87034891373645876992012-01-10T00:27:32.089-08:002012-01-10T00:27:32.089-08:00I have been away Ben so have missed the storm. But...I have been away Ben so have missed the storm. But this blog entry trigged me to check if I was following you on twitter or not as I realised that I haven't seen anything from you for a while. I am not on much and rarely tweet but like reading the tweets of people I find entertaining, and you are one of them. Alas, you have blocked me, and I truly don't know what I did to deserve that. I have only sent 62 tweets in about 4 months. I'm just a mum who happens to enjoy your writing. Sorry if I offend you. I must admit, I am puzzled as to why you have offended me, but you have.Michelle Brackennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-281415506871751523.post-61159932228157571342012-01-07T20:45:59.622-08:002012-01-07T20:45:59.622-08:00Well said Ben. Hang in there.Well said Ben. Hang in there.David Hortonhttp://davidhortonsblog.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-281415506871751523.post-73117255014340968372012-01-07T03:42:24.068-08:002012-01-07T03:42:24.068-08:00Welcome to the secret feminist society, Doug. The ...Welcome to the secret feminist society, Doug. The password (and manifesto) is "women are human".Lockon Lizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13901541649512679644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-281415506871751523.post-11786939797988837502012-01-07T02:57:43.758-08:002012-01-07T02:57:43.758-08:00For the life of me I cannot see how any man can be...For the life of me I cannot see how any man can be a feminist. A baboon may as easily claim to be a goldfish. <br /><br />Get over it Pobjie.<br /><br />(Disclaimer : I have great sympathy with women and their cause; equal pay for equal work, full rights and no discrimination etc etc etc. )Doug Quixotenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-281415506871751523.post-65230308279088000302012-01-07T01:57:21.208-08:002012-01-07T01:57:21.208-08:00(2) Also FFS people grow up.(2) Also FFS people grow up.horacenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-281415506871751523.post-45540938570885790422012-01-07T01:56:31.571-08:002012-01-07T01:56:31.571-08:00Without having seen the original argument — twitte...Without having seen the original argument — twitter is terrible for things like that — I can't be sure who is right. But I will assume that you probably don't deserve that kind of vitriol.horacenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-281415506871751523.post-65785953381854470212012-01-07T01:06:46.979-08:002012-01-07T01:06:46.979-08:00I haven't really been following what's bee...I haven't really been following what's been going on, and at this late stage I can't be bothered catching up. <br /><br />You've been very, very nice to me. I try to be very nice to you. <br /><br />That is all.shellityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09947174303617760411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-281415506871751523.post-44002784977527643002012-01-06T05:52:34.391-08:002012-01-06T05:52:34.391-08:00Oh FFS
Ok so I am the "double standards"...Oh FFS<br />Ok so I am the "double standards" anonymous poster. I'm just using my phone on the road. Can't find an easy way to put my name to the post but I am @veekayoz. I have no issue in revealing that.<br /><br />Sorry a minor detail that u didn't start the hash tag but it would have died a very quick death if you didn't latch on promptly and promote it to your following. <br /><br />Im still following you and take the gold along with the shit (maybe with some sighs of WTF) <br /><br />Awaiting my public "#blocked #fuckyou" tweet from you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-281415506871751523.post-75309895585434144712012-01-06T04:32:19.504-08:002012-01-06T04:32:19.504-08:00I too have been 'engaged in intelligent debate...I too have been 'engaged in intelligent debate' with' tammois & witnessed others suffer at the hand of her Twitter ego. Granted she has some good points but she is aggressive & condescending despite her protestations otherwise. And as you & others allude to Twitter is 'downtime' for most...where the fuck does a farmer, phd candidate, wife & mother of 2 get the time to carry on & on & on like that? I saw the point of her argument but I'm all for the macquarie dictionary version & move the fuck on with it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-281415506871751523.post-78815275704265115952012-01-06T04:04:00.462-08:002012-01-06T04:04:00.462-08:00"You ask for respect, just respect all of us ..."You ask for respect, just respect all of us too"<br /><br />You ask for respect, but you don't respect Mr Pobjie enough to actually put your name to your comment and stand by your words.<br /><br />Hmmm?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-281415506871751523.post-87179600829504341342012-01-06T03:57:54.412-08:002012-01-06T03:57:54.412-08:00You may have not wanted to write this post, but I&...You may have not wanted to write this post, but I'm bloody glad you did, to clear up a few points and have yourself HEARD in the way you can't in 140 characters. <br /><br />I read the article in question; I read "hysterical" not in its historical context, though I do understand how it could have been misconstrued once it was explained. It should have stopped there. I don't believe it was meant in its historical context, but a modern one. Justin Shaw said as much. Why is that so hard to accept? <br /><br />And I fucking resent feminists saying "do you understand why *we* women object to that word?" WE? I didn't object to it, I still don't, and I fucking won't. So don't fucking speak on my behalf just because I'm a woman and I *should* be offended! Don't speak for all feminists, or all linguists, for that matter. <br /><br />Honestly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-281415506871751523.post-5893504425049450672012-01-06T03:07:05.192-08:002012-01-06T03:07:05.192-08:00I only caught the tip of this but I did read Tammi...I only caught the tip of this but I did read Tammi's (?) timeline and anyone that tries to engage in any kind of lenghty discussion on twitter is a dill, never sure what the intention is, that you capitulate out of exhaustion? I enjoyed your pron piece and you and @themanwhofell have two of the only prolific accounts I follow. Don't let them bore/badger you to death.Stacey0noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-281415506871751523.post-32953212418189096392012-01-06T02:28:10.809-08:002012-01-06T02:28:10.809-08:00"Also, you started a hash tag for #pobjieinsu..."Also, you started a hash tag for #pobjieinsults. What do you expect. "<br /><br />Even if it were true, you really think inventing a hashtag is just asking for it?! <br /><br />That is kinda funny, except that it might be hurting someone. <br /><br />I'm glad I haven't read the whole sorry history. For what it's worth, when I think about the origins of the word "hysterical" from a feminist perspective (and I have no other perspective), it reminds me of the knobs who invented it, not the women they were trying to pathologise.Lockon Lizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13901541649512679644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-281415506871751523.post-38159893414739629572012-01-06T01:58:56.606-08:002012-01-06T01:58:56.606-08:00Well, blocking is not the same as as unfollowing, ...Well, blocking is not the same as as unfollowing, so that's not double standards. Especially since I only object to *people I don't know* telling me they're unfollowing me. And no I didn't start that hashtag, do you're just factually wrong. And if you object to me saying fuck you to a person, that's just tough. I won't be modifying my behaviour to suit your delicate sensibilities.Ben Pobjiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07320337293942659210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-281415506871751523.post-74081989368870227452012-01-06T01:55:20.073-08:002012-01-06T01:55:20.073-08:00I don't object to you saying "fuck you&qu...I don't object to you saying "fuck you" to a feminist. I object to you saying fuck you to a person. Also, you started a hash tag for #pobjieinsults. What do you expect. <br /><br />You go on about people tweeting they are in following you and you feed that by retweeting it and, tweeting when you block someone. Double standards. <br /><br />You ask for respect, just respect all of us tooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-281415506871751523.post-31463141047549483542012-01-06T00:51:12.604-08:002012-01-06T00:51:12.604-08:00Capitalgourmand that was my thought too.
Ben I li...Capitalgourmand that was my thought too. <br />Ben I like your stuff don't leave Twitter. Can't believe you manage all this while also working.<br />Re no 9: me too, I don't know how any of you with 000's followers stay cool on Twitter and handle abuse etc, it would be upsetting.Jackie Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06322613989851869319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-281415506871751523.post-9683411034213895342012-01-06T00:40:50.872-08:002012-01-06T00:40:50.872-08:00Wow! You do all this tweeting from work!?
I like ...Wow! You do all this tweeting from work!?<br /><br />I like your written work (probs more than your tweets), so I am sorry that you are being abused like this. Sending you strengthJusthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14016997127985829717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-281415506871751523.post-86001441487413446532012-01-06T00:11:34.399-08:002012-01-06T00:11:34.399-08:00This here is one of my favourite feminist blogs. R...This here is one of my favourite feminist blogs. Right up there with I Blame the Patriarchy and Fannie's Room. <br /><br />Like the best feminist writers, you often have me in stitches laughing. Thanks for all the feminist laffs, and I'm sorry there are so many arsehats in the world.Lockon Lizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13901541649512679644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-281415506871751523.post-52478782735423509072012-01-06T00:10:12.831-08:002012-01-06T00:10:12.831-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Lockon Lizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13901541649512679644noreply@blogger.com